Curse

Fleur De Lyss · Jul 09, 2008, 09:29 PM // 21:29

Isnt that all GW is becomming ? I Mean, really

We grind points for all of our titles, Just so that we can Grind Farm to make money to buy overpriced items which guild wars shows clear support for by creating Chaos Gloves (if you have them - You have been girnd farming/you bought gold (from grind farmers)).

I mean really, Why hasnt anyone said anything/why aren't they trying to prevent this at all ?

hurdlebeast · Jul 09, 2008, 09:33 PM // 21:33

because what point is there to a game, if, after you beat the storylines, there is nothing to achieve? grinding adds shelf life, every single good game out there has it, some sort of challenge that takes time and skill.

Edit: you don't need any elite items to beat the game. max, req 9 items with crappy skins work just the same as high-end, 100k+weapons with the same stats. it's all prestige, and not NEEDED to beat the game at all.

Lawrence Chang · Jul 09, 2008, 09:35 PM // 21:35

in other words, GW is not worth the price tag.

Diddy bow · Jul 09, 2008, 09:36 PM // 21:36

Well about half of all the riverside threads are whinning about this atm.

But this game is only a grind game if you let it be.

Alex the Great · Jul 09, 2008, 09:36 PM // 21:36

would you rather play guild wars if they removed all the optional grind?
lets take a look!

guild wars- great game, fun, no grind

present guild wars- all the same, and OPTIONAL grind.

everyone who complains about grind is jealous because other people have cooler stuff than them, and they want it without taking time. I'm not a grinder either, and i only have 4 suits of 15k armour from light farming over the years.

Gift3d · Jul 09, 2008, 09:36 PM // 21:36

To play through the game, and do the things an average gamer has fun doing, grinding is not necessary.

To play PvP, for the most part, and if you're smart, is fun and does not involve grinding.

To get as much money as possibly to waste massive amounts of gold and ectos on horribly ugly, unnecessary, "prestigious" items, grinding will be a requisite.

Natural selection.

Bytor · Jul 09, 2008, 09:37 PM // 21:37

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Originally Posted by hurdlebeast

because what point is there to a game, if, after you beat the storylines, there is nothing to achieve? grinding adds shelf life, every single good game out there has it, some sort of challenge that takes time and skill.

Edit: you don't need any elite items to beat the game. max, req 9 items with crappy skins work just the same as high-end, 100k+weapons with the same stats. it's all prestige, and not NEEDED to beat the game at all.

I agree except that it doesn't take much skill to grind most of the titles just loads of time and in game gold.

hurdlebeast · Jul 09, 2008, 09:42 PM // 21:42

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Originally Posted by Diddy bow

Well about half of all the riverside threads are whinning about this atm.

But this game is only a grind game if you let it be.

yeah, you summed up my feelings in one sentence

GW can be pretty much anything you want it to be, really. You can farm, you can merch, you can do the missions over and over. You can title grind, or not. you can do the elite areas, or you can try to scam people (not recommended). You can travel in Pugs the whole game, or you can go with guildies, or with hero/hench, or a combo of all three. You can run through with your starter armor for a challenge, or you can get a run to the max armors right from the get go. you can use crappy weapons or go for the elite weapons.

And that's only in PvE. PvP is a whole 'nother story

Titles are forever going to be hated for their grind factor. I'm not innocent, i've whined about it too. But they add so much to the game, it's worth it.

screen317 · Jul 09, 2008, 10:01 PM // 22:01

I've been playing Prophecies for over two years now, and I still have not grown bored of it.

The things you can do not including grinding make for an incredible gaming experience. Add that on top of the excellent environment and graphics, plus the amazing soundtrack, and -original- GW has more grandeur than the majority of games I have played.

Grinding is there if you want to grind.

Guild Wars is there if you don't want to grind.

Stuart444 · Jul 09, 2008, 10:08 PM // 22:08

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Originally Posted by hurdlebeast

yeah, you summed up my feelings in one sentence

GW can be pretty much anything you want it to be, really. You can farm, you can merch, you can do the missions over and over. You can title grind, or not. you can do the elite areas, or you can try to scam people (not recommended). You can travel in Pugs the whole game, or you can go with guildies, or with hero/hench, or a combo of all three. You can run through with your starter armor for a challenge, or you can get a run to the max armors right from the get go. you can use crappy weapons or go for the elite weapons.

And that's only in PvE. PvP is a whole 'nother story

Titles are forever going to be hated for their grind factor. I'm not innocent, i've whined about it too. But they add so much to the game, it's worth it.

yes, you have basically read my mind there, the only part of your post that is not me is the whining about it since I have never seen reason to whine about it but thats me.

Fleur De Lyss · Jul 09, 2008, 10:09 PM // 22:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex the Great

would you rather play guild wars if they removed all the optional grind?
lets take a look!

guild wars- great game, fun, no grind

present guild wars- all the same, and OPTIONAL grind.

everyone who complains about grind is jealous because other people have cooler stuff than them, and they want it without taking time. I'm not a grinder either, and i only have 4 suits of 15k armour from light farming over the years.

Uhmm, Lmao. Well Im not "look at my eternal blade and r9 celestial compass" rich, but Im Not poor.. ANYWAYS Aside from that

Unless you're completely er.. dumb. You can't say Grinding isnt needed. Its not just farming its title capture also. We're all (most of us) trying to achieve more titles due to the HoM and most of them can't be done without grinding.

Only ignorance would lead you to say that grinding is supposed to be Skillful and Fun, because its not. its definitely not skillful - and sitting on a computer for 50284923 hours doing the same thing repitatively isn't fun. (If you disagree with that, you're a liar/get away from me o_O). It even appears that guild wars wants us to grind even more - Depleting the A/E Perma Sin - Which allowed ALOT of you to buy your FoW or your gloves or your overprice eternal blade... So If you say Im wrong you're a liar. If you say its fun, you're a liar. And if you say its what makes A good Game a Good game, Well.. You're odd.

Fleur De Lyss · Jul 09, 2008, 10:12 PM // 22:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Diddy bow

Well about half of all the riverside threads are whinning about this atm.

But this game is only a grind game if you let it be.

Saying that is the same as saying "You can only be succesful if you want to be"

if you want a good start at the beginning of GW 2 - You're most likely title farming, and most titles, now require Grinding.

So I guess, Yes, GW Is not a grind game if you DON'T want to have all the nice things it offers, but if you DO you have to grind. And I believe that is what makes a grind game a grind game, whether you agree or not.

Abedeus · Jul 09, 2008, 10:22 PM // 22:22

To beat storyline, grind is optional. Except for nightfall characters and 1 point in factions campaign.

To get into TA guild, you grind Gladiator. HA guild - fame. GvG - mix of glad, fame and champion. HB... xd

To get into pugs, you grind. To get into a guild, you grind. To get somewhere besides plot, you grind or sit with h/h.

Kumu Honua · Jul 09, 2008, 10:22 PM // 22:22

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Originally Posted by Lawrence Chang

in other words, GW is not worth the price tag.

I spent $44 to get all the campaigns. I have already played 11 months worth. I still have (by my calculations) another year or more left to play since I still have Factions to complete as well as many other side quests and places I have not gone yet.

At my calculations 11 months worth of game play means that GW cost me $.13 a day. If I play a second year then it cost me $.06 a day.

Sounds like it was absolutely worth the price.

isamu kurosawa · Jul 09, 2008, 10:33 PM // 22:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kumu Honua

I spent $44 to get all the campaigns. I have already played 11 months worth. I still have (by my calculations) another year or more left to play since I still have Factions to complete as well as many other side quests and places I have not gone yet.

At my calculations 11 months worth of game play means that GW cost me $.13 a day. If I play a second year then it cost me $.06 a day.

Sounds like it was absolutely worth the price.

Add in the fact that for the same price a console game would last 5 to 8 hours average.

The grind in game is mostly optional. Only qwen pve skills realy affected the skill > time philosophy but you can always run the builds you used in areas before gwen was released rather than grind a title to make a pve skill stronger.

Although people complain about grind it does add an element to the game that some people like, And as it's completely optional it shouldn't affect the way you play the game yourself.

KZaske · Jul 09, 2008, 10:34 PM // 22:34

I must admit, I have whined about the grind in the past. My whines were focused on Sunspear & LIghtbringer title tracks. I gave up whining about it a long time ago.

As for this comment:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lawrence Chang

in other words, GW is not worth the price tag.

I whole heartedly agree with Kumu above.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kumu Honua

Sounds like it was absolutely worth the price.

romeus petrus · Jul 09, 2008, 10:48 PM // 22:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex the Great

guild wars- great game, fun, no grind

present guild wars- all the same, and OPTIONAL grind.

I would buy that if they didn't come up with massively overpowered "PvE Skills" and linked them to massive amounts of grinding needed to get your skills to the most effective level. This Started with factions but was tolerable there, then NF came and it became less tolerable. But with the release of EotN, grinding reached epic levels and you were provided with a large number of PvE skills, and lame/pointless titles to reward grinding. If GW2 has ANY of all that pointless grinding or let any of the previous pointless grinding (in GW1) have any effect on it it will fail at launch.

kelike · Jul 09, 2008, 10:55 PM // 22:55

GRIND .(obscene word) GRIND (obscene word) I AM GUILD WARS AND I'LL MAKE YOU GRIND YOU CANT ESCAPE MUHAHA...

From a reliable source i know that in GW 2 if you want to achieve lvl 2 you have to GRIND 350k norn asura ebon vanguard and dwarven points !!
/sarcasm...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex the Great

would you rather play guild wars if they removed all the optional grind?
lets take a look!

guild wars- great game, fun, no grind

present guild wars- all the same, and OPTIONAL grind.

everyone who complains about grind is jealous because other people have cooler stuff than them, and they want it without taking time. I'm not a grinder either, and i only have 4 suits of 15k armour from light farming over the years.

how true how true

aaje vhanli · Jul 09, 2008, 10:56 PM // 22:56

You don't have to grind if you don't choose to.

Even if you want things that require titles and the like, you make the choice whether you're going to grind out points to get them or get them casually without grinding.

If you don't like grind then STOP DOING IT.

/close thread

FlamingMetroid · Jul 09, 2008, 10:58 PM // 22:58

GUILD WARS IS BECOMING GRIND!?!

WHAT A SCOOP!